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![[Cool]](images/smiles/smiley16.gif "Cool") Gringz, Thats like trying to say that all music groups or artists "owe their music success in whichever new country they perform in," to whatever artist in that genre of music performed there first. That Selena owes her music success to La Mafia, makes no sense. I have lived in Mexico extensively, and most of my family still lives there. The one thing I know about Mexico, is that if your music is good, they will accept you based on your own merit! " Selena was Selena, and had she lived, by now she would have been one of the greatest Mexican-American female superstars that has ever lived. Not only that, but by now she also would have easily reached and far surpassed, any heights ever reached by any Tejano music group, bar none! As far as any " inaccuracies and misleading statements," In the article, maybe you can contact the "Handbook of Texas Online," and have them make the necessary corrections.
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^^^La Mafia mainstreamed Tejano music in an international sense. Not just in Mexico but around the world. They broke that traditonal tejano country like music and brought new sounds with keyboards which bands like Selena y los Dinos WERE influnced by. They were also the first to bring that new sound to new audiences, particularly in Mexico and other bands followed through. I guess the queston is, had La Mafia not created that new sound and had they never brought that new sound to Mexico or around the world for that matter, what road would have taken her there?
Selena's best trait was that she had a voice of gold and that was undeniable, she is a legend in her own right, but lets get real, she had some real cheezy music. It s not like my dad or my grandpa can just pop her CD in the car and be like, yeah thats my jam " ooohh babbbaay"
Thats just my opinion though, dont shoot me.
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I know what you mean Normies, but La Mafia began making inroads into Mexico music, not by using purely "Tejano music sounds."That would have been the sounds of the "original Tejano bands," like Isidro Lopez, Little Joe, Alponso Ramos,and many others. When La Mafia started making inroads into Mexico, here in San Antonio many people in the music business here, thought they (La Mafia ) were changing, from Tejano music, to international music. Furthermore many of the popular "international music," groups in Mexico were already using keyboards in their music, The Mexican Super group Los Bukis, " recorded their debut album in 1975. " long before La Mafia " started making inroads into Mexico.
" The Mexican group Los Bukis, an indigenous word that means "the kids," recorded their debut album in 1975. It included Camilo Sesto's "Quieres Ser Mi Amante," a Spanish version of the classic "Feelings," and the band's first original hit, "Falso Amor." The group was formed by singer/songwriter Marco Antonio Solís and his cousin, guitarist Joel Solís, who were previously performing under the name of Los Hermanitos Solís. The original foursome had several changes during the 1980s, being joined by keyboardist Roberto Guadarrama,"
Source: http://www.billboard.com/bbcom.....?pid=24764
"La Mafia released their eponymous debut album in 1986 for Sony. Extensive touring of the U.S. and Mexico brought them renown. Their second album, Estas Tocando Fuego, came out in 1991 and sold nearly 1 million copies. Their 1993 album Ahora y Siempre went triple platinum. La Mafia has also won numerous awards including an award for Top Regional Mexican Album and Song of 1992; other releases included 1993's International, 1995's Exitos en Vivo and 1996's Un Millon de Rosas.
Source: http://www.answers.com/topic/l.....ertainment
So with this information in mind,that La Mafia recorded their debut album in 1986. and The Mexican super group Los Bukis, recorded their debut album in 1975. it would seem that it was La Mafia who rode into Mexico following on the success of some of the biggest Mexican "International music groups," some who already had pioneered the use of the keyboards in their music, long before La Mafia,even recorded their first album. And to to suggest that La Mafia as Gringz suggested, prepared the way for Selenas future success in Mexico just does not fly. Thats like trying to say, that the success of the Rolling stones in the U.S.A. , was based solely upon the Beatles success here. The market in the United States was "ready for the groups from England," and many other English music groups succeeded and prospered here as well.
An interesting side note on Tejano music,is that over time it has not only morphed from the pure Tejano sound of the first Tejano bands. But that it has incorporated different sounds and styles from different cultures, and also have such groups as La Mafia and Selena. Sadly, since Selena passed away the excitement has gone completely out of the Tejano music market here in Texas. While the majority of Mexican-Americans here in Texas listen to all different types of music, Tejano included. Many of the big radio corporations are dropping Tejano music from radio airplay, by looking to serve a more broader "Hispanic audience." Money talks, and I believe that this is due to not enough "fresh blood," being allowed into the existing Tejano radio markets.
"..Tejano music has been systematically erased from Spanish-language radio in many cities across the State of Texas and it's time for our people to take a stand and demand the return of what is respectfully ours!
In Austin Texas alone, BMP (Border Media Partners) and Univision Radio together have control of all nine Spanish-language radio stations. In the past two years, all nine stations have completely eliminated Tejano music from their playlists. They are now exclusively focusing on other forms of music genres such as banda, norteño, reggaeton, etc." - AUSTIN TEJANO MUSIC COALITION
http://profile.myspace.com/ind.....=163727118
Selena: 7 years later, Tejano transformed
"Selena was not the first female Latin singing sensation, and now there are many others. But Selena was unique. She was born and raised in Texas. She didn't know how to speak Spanish when she began singing in Spanish, yet she became the first Tejano singer to captivate audiences in the United States and Mexico."
http://www.nbc11.com/news/1358.....etail.html
2000 Scripps Howard News Service.
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"While the Arbitron ratings may be down for Tejano music, Selena's star continues to shine. Three years after her death Selena Quintanilla's dream of designing and marketing a signature line of clothing apparel has been realized. Selena's name adorns ready-to-wear clothes available at more than 200 Sears and JC Penney stores across the country. - 1998 La Prensa San Diego
http://www.laprensa-sandiego.o.....ritimo.htm
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I don't know Normies, Selena was always far more popular here in San Antonio than La Mafia, now granted, I don't know about other areas of Texas, or internationally. But I did use to know a few people In the Tejano music industry in its heyday, ( people that knew Selena very well ) before, the bottom fell out. Radio station people, a former TMA marketing director, I also know one of the top Tejano music producers in the world, who worked with most of the big Tejano groups, and quite honestly to this day I have never heard even one of them mention even once, of La Mafia paving the way for Selena's future success in music. The first time I heard it was when Gringz brought it up! But it would have been nice to have placed them both performing in different venues of the same city, and seen who would have drawn more people, and this with the benefit of La Mafia at the height of its power, and Selena barely starting to flex her muscles. That would have been awesome, but my money would have still been on " La Reina De Tejas" Selena, if it had happened here in San Antonio, Austin, or Corpus Christi. Unfortunately Normies, history has already been written upon this subject, and it will stand as such, no matter how much we dispute the facts, according to my own or Gringz own, unique perceptions or Interpretations of it. Besides I do live in south Texas, and I don't want to end up hanged by a bunch of angry Selena fans! ![[Laughing]](images/smiles/icon_lol.gif "Laughing")
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There are several points brought up on this thread that I would like to address, but first let me start with the story of La Mafia and Selena, since fsolis mentioned that my mention of it was the first time he had heard it. The thing is, I believe that is probably the case with most people, even those who may have even seen Selena open for La Mafia. La Mafia is mentioned only in passing as ONE of the bands who Selena had opened for in all of the accounts of her life, if mentioned at all. While I had not been around back then, I did know that La Mafia and Selena were very good friends and that she had opend for them frequently , and that at one time they gave her their equipment (after purchasing new equipment for themselves). I had just figured that it was the promoters who were putting them together, I had no idea that they had been packaging her with themselves.
Here is what I have learned, only in the past couple of years (we're talking I've been following La Mafia very closely for 14 years, reading everything I can get my hands on about them, and watching every interview on TV that I can).
Back in 1984, while performing in Angleton, TX, Oscar asked for volunteers from the audience (something they used to do in their shows and still do at times to this day) to come on stage to sing thier current hit (at the time), "Mi Loca Passion". A 12 year old girl rose her hand and came up to the stage to sing that song with Oscar. This was the very first time that La Mafia had ever met Selena. After the show Abraham came backstage and introduced himself to the guys as a former member of the Dinos, a name that La Mafia was familiar with. They became friends with the family and Abraham would drop in at their practices in Houston (from nearby Lake Jackson where they apparently were still living at the time regardless of what you read in her history about the move to Corpus coming right after the restaurant closed) He eventually convinced them to start taking them on the road with them. They believed in Selena and saw her potential so they agreed and started packaging her with them , for gigs all over the state, something that all the promoters told them they were crazy to do.
All accounts of Selena's life mention that after the restaurant closed, Selena y Los Dinos were the SOLE support of the family. Think about it, how many up and coming bands can support themselves , much less their ENTIRE family by playing Church Bazaars and 15s? How many up and coming artists do you know of who don't also have day jobs? Everyone knows how difficult it was for a female artist to make it in the male dominated Tejano Industry, and Selena wasn't just a female , she was a child. Opening for a BIG NAME (argurably the biggest name in the industry, if not THE biggest, nobody can say they weren't one of the biggest) , not only gives an artist exposure, but also their stamp of approval. In addition to La Mafia having Selena open for them, they would bring her on stage to showcase her by having her sing a duet with Oscar (lets's face it, when a BIG NAME artist has an relatively unknown opening act, the vast majority of fans don't show up until it's time for the headliner to go on). They even showcased her on their own Television special in Houston, by having her sing with Oscar. These PAYING gigs that La Mafia got for her as part of a package (which maybe didn't pay much but I'm sure it was more than the Church Bazaars and 15s), gave her the exposure she needed to get other PAYING gigs, and eventually become the biggest Female artist in La Onda, which led to her winning all those TTMA awards, and to her performing at the TTMA the night that Jose Behar "discovered" her. These gigs were not the only way that La Mafia helped the family financially, as I mentioned before , they had given her equipment, which she desperately needed, and I've also read that they had even employed Abraham for a time as their bus driver to help the family make ends meet. I'm sure that there are many other things that La Mafia did for Selena that we dont' even know about, and I'm sure that Selena y Los Dinos picked up a lot of pointers from La Mafia during that time. Like for example, I recently read a post , somebody talking about seeing Selena and being so impressed by how she would invite audience members up on stage to sing or dance with her, and how innovative that was. I wonder where she got that idea. One of my "My Space" friends posted a video of her in 1991 doing just that (a while back, it's not online anymore), and guess what song they were playing, La Mafia's "Mi Loca Pasion", the very song that Selena had fist sung with La Mafia when she was 12 years old.
In 1989 Selena signed with Jose Bejar and EMI Latin. Bejar had left Sony (on not the best of terms which is putting it mildy ) to start up EMI Latin. EMI Latin bought out CBS International (the label that La Mafia was with at the time and had recorded their last CD under that contract ), and was so ANGRY that La Mafia signed with Sony instead of resigning with him, that he refused to release that last album "Non-Stop", and later released some of the songs under various compilations to ride on the promotion for "Estas Tocando Fuego" and the other Sony releases. Needless to say , the rivalry between EMI and SONY was fierce, (At the time of Selena's death, La Mafia's ,current album at the time, "Vida" and Selena's "Amor Prohibido" were running neck and neck on the Billboard charts) there was no rivalry between Selena and La Mafia (can't say the same for her father though), it was something they used to joke about. Of course with the rivalry between the labels they were no longer performing together, they would run into each other at award shows. The last time that La Mafia saw Selena was at the 1994 "Premio Lo Nuestro Award show", where they hung out with her and Chris afterwards, and she apologized to them for the way her father had been treating them. Earlier that year, a friend of mine went to see Selena at a club in Houston, Oscar and Mando were there and she invited them onstage with her. (Abraham wasn't there that night).
La Mafia and Selena were very close friends. They influenced her, helped her financially and helped her get the exposure that she needed to make it to the top, because they loved her and they believed in her and YES they did open the doors to Mexico for her and everyone else in the Tejano Industry who has been down there since. Selena loved La Mafia and I don't believe that she would want that credit taken away from them and given to her. We're talking about the girl who cried when a TTMA award that she had won was mistakenly given to Shelly Lares and taken back and given to her
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| What your stating Gringz , is your perception and opinion of the matter, and you are entitled to it. Along with anyone else who chooses to believe the same. But not everyone believes, or will believe the same., So you should respect the opinions of those of us who will never accept the idea, that La mafias support, was the sole major reason behind Selenas super success in Mexico, which even with her early death, no other Tejano music group has ever eclipsed!
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OK, now that I got that out of the way, let me address the issues you raised one at a time, as it would take a novela to address them all at once
 | fsolis dijo: |  | Gringz, Thats like trying to say that all music groups or artists "owe their music success in whichever new country they perform in," to whatever artist in that genre of music performed there first. That Selena owes her music success to La Mafia, makes no sense. I have lived in Mexico extensively, and most of my family still lives there. The one thing I know about Mexico, is that if your music is good, they will accept you based on your own merit! " Selena was Selena, and had she lived, by now she would have been one of the greatest Mexican-American female superstars that has ever lived. Not only that, but by now she also would have easily reached and far surpassed, any heights ever reached by any Tejano music group, bar none! As far as any " inaccuracies and misleading statements," In the article, maybe you can contact the "Handbook of Texas Online," and have them make the necessary corrections. |
First, I didn't say that Selena owed her musical success in Mexico to La Mafia, only that La Mafia had opened the door for her, she had to live up to their expectations and she far exceeded them, and it takes nothing away from her to give credit to the band who had opened that door NOR to admit that they were a HUMONGOUS success there before she was. She must have believed she owed them something for opening the doors for her , otherwise she would not have thanked them for it on International TV. The articles written after her death give her credit for opening the doors for everyone else and make it sound like she was the only superstar that Tejano Music ever had , and unfortunately those who write Tejano History seem to go by those inaccurate accounts of her history as their only resource and do no other research.
It's true the fans in Mexico will accept any music that is good, BUT it's getting into Mexico that is the hard part, it's THE INDUSTRY in Mexico that has tried to keep the Tejanos out. Little Joe and others had tried and failed, and as a result there is a lot of hostility between the Old School Tejanos and the Powers that Be in Mexico. That is one of the reasons that there are some in "the industry", who resent La Mafia, because they did something that they had been told was not possible. If La Mafia hadn't broken down that barrier, Tejano Music would not have found it's way down there and Selena would not have gone there. La Mafia had worked their way down there by playing parking lots accross the border where fans were familiar with their music because they could hear it coming from the Texas radio stations. Their music gradually started getting played deeper into Mexico until it got to the point that they were selling out stadiums all over the country, deep into Mexico where no Tejano had ever performed before. Their presence and the airplay they got in Mexico opened the door for other Tejano Music to be played down there and as a result Selena's music was already a hit before she ever went down there. Nobody was going down there when they started doing that and everyone told them that it wasn't possible. So if it had not been for La Mafia, it is highly unlikely that Selena would have been going down there. Not only that, Abraham Quintanilla went to La Mafia asking for all kinds of advice on touring down there, what promotors to go with etc.
Correcting the Handbook of Texas Online will not fix the problem with the history that was rewritten by Abraham Quintanilla/Jose Behar and the TTMA. This sort of INCORRECT information is everywhere and has been ever since the articles were written about Selena after her death. If I were to email them about their inaccuracy , they would just go back to their original INACURATE source and believe that.
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